In this conversation, Erin and Mike talk about recent experiences of surrender – when we felt completely unable to control circumstances. Whether that's tending to a sick child and canceling all plans, or being trapped at a ski lodge without any idea of when you'll be able to drive back home.

We also discuss how important it is to surrender our sense of worth that is attached to any part of our identity that is temporary or transient, but that our worth can be anchored in our identity as children of God and everything that encompasses.