This week I'm so excited to bring my good friends Kris Simon and Marcus Perry to the show. I've known Kris, well forever, and she is my all time favorite convention programmer I've ever met. I LOVE doing programming at her shows because it is always well thought out and amazing. I feel like I've been doing her shows forever, but it's been at least five years. 

What I didn't know was that she was also an amazing editor who had worked with everybody in the industry back when she was at Shadowline. Before I decided to do our latest book, Cthulhu is Hard to Spell: The Terrible Twos, I sat down with her and asked if she would please please please help me edit it. The first two books nearly killed me, and I couldn't do it a third time without serious help. 

She agreed, and I think we made an AMAZING book, which you can find on Kickstarter by going to www.cthulhuishardtospell.com, or typing Cthulhu is Hard to Spell into the search bar.

One of the great finds she brought into the book was her significant other, Marcus Perry, a filmmaker who has worked with just about everybody, and who used to be head of marketing at Paramount. Together, they make an amazing team, and an interesting interview. It's way more common for a couple to have one creative person or entrepreneur and the other has a stable job, which is the situation I have with my wife. 

I was really enthusiastic to have them on to discuss what it's like to both be in highly creative and unstable fields at the same time. Listen to this episode if you want to know about: 

succeeding as a creator

How to keep going in the face of overwhelming odds

how to pitch and market your project like a Hollywood studio

How to overcome imposter syndrome

And much more. 

If you liked this episode, find Kris on Twitter @kris_simon or https://www.geekchicpromotions.com, and find Marcus at https://vimeo.com/marcusperry. 

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