Laura and Julie talk about processing grief through art with filmmaker, director, and writer, Susanne McDonald. She discusses her latest film Trivial Pursuit. This episode contains talks of depression, racial inequities, and suicide. Julie and Laura recognize that this discussion may not be for everyone. If these subjects are not for you, stay tuned for next week's episode.  We also discuss the value of creating your own work and how each creative needs to value their own career and process.