Coffee with Samso Episode 91 is with Kado Muir, Ngalia Cultural leader and Chairman of the National Native Title Council.   In the space of mining, there is now a permanent requirement of being responsible in actions. Responsible not only to environment but also socially. Historically, mining projects has always been working hand in hand with the needs to environmentally friendly or at least be minimising the impact on the ground, water and air.   Now, the movement is to incorporate the Social and the Governance. Governance has always been left in the background and many projects have played the blind eye to governance issues in the name of business. Now with the emergence of ESG, all these issues are now required to be addresses.   I am keen to speak to Kado to get his perspective on current issues such as Juukan. I wanted to understand the significance and how Standard Operating Procedures can get it so wrong in a system so robust as Rio Tinto's strict rules.   I identify Kado as the new generation of elders in the Australian First Nation community to carry on the tradition of the people. When I speak to Kado, I feel that he is trying to bridge the gap of divide that has been lingering for decades. The establishment of Mabo was a step forward and I feel that it is only one step of many that is required.   This is the second time Kado and I have had a Coffee With Samso. The first was - Sustainable Harvesting of Sandalwood Trees: Marnta Sandalwood - but I think we never did real justice in terms of engaging more about the main issues. What we did was to bring out the history and passion of Kado's thoughts and aspiration. The development of the Sandalwood business with the thought of making it sustainable to social and environment compliments this current episode.