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Systematically Ep 22: Evangelical Trinitarian Theologies With Dr Glenn Butner
In today’s episode we welcome Dr. Glenn Butner from Sterling College to discuss his book, The Son Who Learned Obedience. After answering our guest questions, Glenn tells us about how he stumbled upon a debate about the putative subordination of the Son to the Father in the Trinity and began writing on the topic. He walks us through his approach to the controversy, why Arianism isn’t really the problem with Eternal Functional Subordination (EFS), and why monothelitism might be the much more serious problem. Glenn also uses Anselm’s atonement theory to indicate yet further problems with EFS. We get into how “function” in EFS connects with Evangelical complementarianism and then consider some of the moral and political implications of taking this Trinitarian theology as a model for gender relations. Robyn asks Glenn why penal substitutionary atonement figures so largely in his account of salvation. Ryan asks Glenn how his intervention has been received. Then Glenn gives us a précis of his book, The Son Who Learned Obedience.
We also had *another* very special guest: India Rose Boeré, born on February 22nd. Congrats to Robin and Neil!
TITLES REFERENCED IN MAIN SEGMENT:
The Son Who Learned Obedience: A Theological Case against the Eternal Submission of the Son. Eugene, OR: Pickwick, 2018.
“Against Eternal Submission: Changing the Doctrine of the Trinity Endangers the Doctrine of Salvation and Women.” Priscilla Papers. 31.1 (Winter 2017): 15-21.
“Eternal Functional Subordination and the Problem of the Divine Will.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society. Vol. 58.1 (March 2015): 131-149.
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In today’s episode we welcome Dr. Glenn Butner from Sterling College to discuss his book, The Son Who Learned Obedience. After answering our guest questions, Glenn tells us about how he stumbled upon a debate about the putative subordination of the Son to the Father in the Trinity and began writing on the topic. He walks us through his approach to the controversy, why Arianism isn’t really the problem with Eternal Functional Subordination (EFS), and why monothelitism might be the much more serious problem. Glenn also uses Anselm’s atonement theory to indicate yet further problems with EFS. We get into how “function” in EFS connects with Evangelical complementarianism and then consider some of the moral and political implications of taking this Trinitarian theology as a model for gender relations. Robyn asks Glenn why penal substitutionary atonement figures so largely in his account of salvation. Ryan asks Glenn how his intervention has been received. Then Glenn gives us a précis of his book, The Son Who Learned Obedience.
We also had *another* very special guest: India Rose Boeré, born on February 22nd. Congrats to Robin and Neil!
TITLES REFERENCED IN MAIN SEGMENT:
The Son Who Learned Obedience: A Theological Case against the Eternal Submission of the Son. Eugene, OR: Pickwick, 2018.
“Against Eternal Submission: Changing the Doctrine of the Trinity Endangers the Doctrine of Salvation and Women.” Priscilla Papers. 31.1 (Winter 2017): 15-21.
“Eternal Functional Subordination and the Problem of the Divine Will.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society. Vol. 58.1 (March 2015): 131-149.
We have a Patreon! Check out the page at www.patreon.com/systematically
Please consider making a much-appreciated donation. We’re still working through what special content we will provide for our subscribers (mini-episodes, submission opportunities, merch, etc.), but we promise the perks will be exciting. As always, your support is greatly appreciated!
Our theme music is “14 Ghosts II” by Nine Inch Nails, available at archive.org/details/nineinchnails_ghosts_I_IV
“14 Ghosts II” is used under a Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike license. We would like to thank Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails for the use of this track.
Follow and chat with us on Twitter @SystematicPod
Email us at [email protected]
Subscribe and Review us on iTunes: Systematically Podcast
Lastly, if you enjoy our conversations, please share them with your friends!