This interview was recorded on the sidelines of the 2025 Design Research Society (DRS) Special InterestGroup Learn by Design conference, held at the University of Aveiro, as part of the activities of theUNIDCOM research centre.To know more visit unrelease.unidcom-IADE.ptIn this interview Hande Ayanoglu talks to Katja Tschimmel, a design researcher, educator, and consultant specialising in creative thinking and design thinking. She founded the consultancyMindshake, integrating academic research with practical innovation processes. Her work spanseducation, organizational change, and sustainability, with a focus on evolving design thinkingmethodologies. Katja teaches at several universities and actively contributes to transdisciplinary andsocially impactful design projects.In this episode, Katja Tschimmel explores the evolution of design thinking from cognitive processes toinnovation and social transformation. She shares her journey from academia to consultancy,highlighting the interplay between research, teaching, and practice. Katja discusses Design Thinking 3.0and its potential in transdisciplinary collaboration and sustainability. She also reflects on emergingchallenges, including AI integration and the future of design education.