In this week's episode Jean M. Russell speaks with Joanna about: Holo, a thrivable technology; differences between blokchain and Holochain; getting back to the internet experience of connecting with others; an ecosystem in the web; exploring the decentralized internet without much tech know-how; envisioning a world where technology supports the experience of small human communities; a system based in nature and our human choices as humans; a platform that promotes evolutionary development, the way ants move and explore; holofuel, rewarded in cryptocurrency by bringing user-controlled applications.