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Guest: Hanan Harb, Principal and Learning & Development Consultant, Everybody, Be Cool!; author of Everybody, Be Cool!
Guest links:
•       LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hananharb/
•       Website: https://www.everybody-be-cool.com/
•       Book: https://www.everybody-be-cool.com/buy-the-book (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Bookshop.org)
•       Hanan Harb on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hananharb/
•       Everybody, Be Cool! (book and consulting): https://www.everybody-be-cool.com/
•       Desiree’s book, Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality (out October 27, 2026)
•       Watch Talentless on The HR Channel (Roku and Fire TV)
•       Talentless newsletter, The T-Hive: https://talentlesshive.beehiiv.com
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Guest : James Ellis, Principal, Employer Brand Labs
Guest links:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thewarfortalent/
Website: https://employerbrandlabs.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EmployerBrandLabs
Book, Becoming Choosable: https://employerbrandlabs.com/becoming-choosable
James Ellis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thewarfortalent/
Employer Brand Labs: https://employerbrandlabs.com
Becoming Choosable by James Ellis: https://employerbrandlabs.com/becoming-choosable
Rory Sutherland (mentioned for the doorman problem from his work on behavioral economics)
Talentless Podcast: https://www.talentlesspodcast.com
Join the T-Hive newsletter: https://talentlesshive.beehiiv.com
Sean Kennedy (“Sean The TA Guy”), Founder & Chief Content Officer, Kennedys Content; fractional Head of TA
Guest links: - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanthetaguy/ - Newsletter: The Recruiter Reality Check: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/the-recruiter-reality-check-7420456125470318592/ - The Talking Talent Podcast (RecTalk, guest host): https://www.linkedin.com/company/rectalk-podcast/
Resources & links
Sean Kennedy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanthetaguy/
The Recruiter Reality Check newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/the-recruiter-reality-check-7420456125470318592/
The Talking Talent Podcast (RecTalk) https://www.linkedin.com/company/rectalk-podcast/
Desiree’s book, Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality (out October 27, 2026)
Watch Talentless on The HR Channel (Roku and Fire TV)
Talentless newsletter, The T-Hive: talentlesshive.beehiiv.com
This episode’s sponsor: JiMMYBAR, https://jimmybars.com/TALENTLESS
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Sponsor: RecOps Collective
RecOps Collective, recruiting operations community and consulting
Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini
Dutton and Aron (1974), the suspension bridge study on misattribution of arousal
Darley and Latané (1968), the original bystander effect research
Women in the Workplace 2025, McKinsey and LeanIn.Org
TalentED, Ashley's recruiter university
Catch us at HR Tech in Las Vegas, October 20 to 22, 2026
Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality by Desiree Goldey, out October 27, 2026
The T-Hive newsletter: talentless.beehiiv.com
www.talentlesspodcast.com
Segment note: Talent Outside the Box is included in this episode (the bystander effect).
Recorded: Live at RecFest USA, Nashville
Sponsor: RoundOne AI (roundone.ai)
Disclosure: Desiree is Head of Growth and Partnerships at RoundOne AI.
Live from RecFest Nashville, Desiree and Ashley ask what "qualified" means when AI can optimize every resume. Ashley breaks down her four-quadrant recruiter performance model and time to find, a metric nobody tracks. Desiree asks whether any CEO will actually pay to hire this way.
Resources and Links
RoundOne AI, voice screening that keeps humans in the decision: roundone.ai
TalentED, Ashley's recruiter university
Watch Talentless on The HR Channel (Roku and Fire TV)
Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality by Desiree Goldey, out October 27, 2026
The T-Hive newsletter: talentless.beehiiv.com
Subscribe on YouTube (please, we're begging)
www.talentlesspodcast.com
Segment note: Talent Outside the Box is included in this episode (validity versus reliability).
Amit Parmar, Co-Founder & CEO, Cliquify
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/parmar79 | Company: cliquify.me
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cliquify/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@cliquify
Cliquify CEO Amit Parmar says the best recruiter he ever managed refused to look at the applicants. In a conversation that went completely off the rails in the best way, Amit, Desiree, and Ashley take apart what storytelling actually means, why companies can get five tools approved but not one more recruiter, and the line between active and passive recruiters that decides who still has this job in two years. Plus: the Competitive Plateau, the Wadabot Layer, and how your job posting got on Indeed without anyone ever posting it there.
In this episode:
What storytelling actually means, stripped of the buzzword, and the one question to ask a hiring manager that changes a job post
Why the storytelling that moves the needle most is recruiter to hiring manager, not recruiter to candidate
Ashley’s real example of a candidate who failed the screen and became the best hire on a two-and-a-half-year-old req
What the Edelman trust data actually says, and why "people trust their employer" is a ranking, not a win
The Competitive Plateau: what happens when a high-volume worker has already worked for every competitor in town
Bots talking to bots, and the ATS filter stack built to clean up a mess we created
Why companies can get five tools approved but not one more recruiter
Strategy, process, people, tech, and why everyone runs that order backward
Humans innovate because we are lazy, and what that means for every product purchase in TA
Why products sell you symptom relief, and how root cause analysis always defaults to "top of funnel"
Active versus passive recruiters, and Amit’s case that one of them has about a year left
How Cleo maps who is stealing your data scientists in Hungary, and what Cliquify will not use AI for
How your job posting got on Indeed without anyone ever posting it there
Resources & Links
Amit Parmar on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/parmar79
Cliquify: cliquify.me (also cliquify.ai, both redirect)
People Brand Collective, where Amit is a founding board member
James Ellis, name-checked by Desiree on employer brand
Desiree’s book, Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality, out October 27, 2026
Catch Talentless at RecFest USA (Nashville, Sept 23-24) and HR Tech this fall
Just Send The Email: What Hiring Transparency Actually Takes
Alex Feder, Founder of Ghosted.work
LinkedIn · Ghosted (ghosted.work/trace, free, public beta)
Alex Feder spent the last year job searching and getting ghosted, so he built software to fix it. Desiree and Ashley talk candidate experience from the other side of the table: what real transparency actually sounds like, why "the system is broken" is the wrong excuse, and why sometimes the fix is just sending the email.
In this episode:
Why Alex built Ghosted.work after his own brutal year of job searching, and why he built Trace as a second, narrower product instead of scaling the first
What "transparency in hiring" actually means in practice, from both the candidate side and the recruiter side
Ashley's own ghosting story: rejected before the interview, then invited back to interview for the role she'd already been rejected from
The fake-job problem, response rates under 1%, and a real (anonymized) story about a company posting fake listings just to farm LinkedIn followers
AI on both sides of the hiring table, and Alex's line: "these are two cars racing to a red light"
Why Alex is skeptical of the existing "call out the ghosters" sites and how Trace's approach differs
Homework assignments and live presentations as a harder-to-fake alternative to standard interview questions
Ashley's "Rate My Recruiter" pitch and the case for hiring the long-term unemployed as a wealth-gap lever
Resources/Links:
Ghosted.work: https://ghosted.work/
Trace: https://ghosted.work/trace
Alex Feder on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/alexfeder
Desiree's book, Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality, out October 2026
Talentless at RecFest and HR Tech this fall
LinkedIn (linkedin.com/in/jasonpistulka) | Website (strattechconsulting.com) | Newsletter: The Talent Strategy Brief
Jason Pistulka ran recruiting operations for a team hiring 125,000 people a year. Now he audits career sites for a living, and he's not gentle about what he finds. This episode is a full recruitment-advertising teardown: Walmart's broken 14-million-visitor career site, Indeed's fall from grace, and the ATS Jason built from scratch in a single weekend just to prove the tech isn't the hard part anymore.
Resources/Links:
StratTech Talent Consulting and Advisory: strattechconsulting.com
The Talent Strategy Brief (Jason's newsletter, weekly, 2,496+ subscribers)
Article: "How Indeed Is Losing What Little Trust It Had of Both Candidates and Employers"
Article: "Walmart is the Largest Private Employer in America. Their Career Site is Broken."
Book: Leadership is a Practice, Not a Personality — out October 2026
Talentless at RecFest USA and HR Tech Conference this fall
Alycia M. Huston, Founder & CEO, The Culture Cru
 LinkedIn | Website: theculturecru.com | Instagram | Threads: @alyciahuston | YouTube
Resources/Links:
Abdurrahman "Muni" Muni, Founder @ Dreampath, Ex-Head of Global Talent Acquisition @ ApplyBoard
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ammuni
Website: dreampath (site TBD, confirm URL with Muni)
Booking link: calendly.com/muni-dreampath/careerchat
Desiree and Ashley sit down with Muni, founder of Dreampath and former Head of Global TA at ApplyBoard, to talk about what actually drives hiring decisions once you strip away the "best candidate wins" story. Relationships versus resumes, the return of the long resume, ageism, and why back-channeling candidates is one of the most unethical things a recruiter can do.
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