This was a delightful conversation that went in many unexpected directions—everything from the wisdom to be gained from reading Moby Dick in 2025 to the pleasures of raising a puppy to wellness advice to the lessons learned from Ian Kershaw’s biography of Hitler.

Miles and I are going to discuss the possibility of a regular Substack-based book club so please let us know if that might appeal to you. At the very least, Miles and I will be doing more of these conversations, which have turned out to be pretty popular with readers of both Telos and Treason.

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