So Bayern went and made it a double with a win in the DFB Pokal Final, while Werder Bremen got out of their two-legged relegation playoff without a win...but a ticket to the top flight ride for another year.

Matt gets together with podcast stalwarts Terry Duffelen and Nik Wildhagen for a wide-ranging chat about the future of fallen giants Bremen, Bayern's dominance (and whether it'll ever cease), and a host of other topics.

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