Dr. Serene Jones is the first woman president of Union Theological Seminary in the institution’s 183-year history. This episode, she talks about contending with sin and the legacy of racism in this country -- and within our personal lineage. Plus, she shares how her views on grace shape the way she sees the world. Serene wrote about her personal journey in her spiritual memoir, “Call it Grace: Finding Meaning in an Uncomfortable World.”

If you’d like to skip over the portion of the story, the times are 8:30-9:30.