I hate talking about money. It literally makes me physically uncomfortable to discuss it with people. That's why I enjoyed this conversation. Yes, it's about money. But it's fun and a little tongue in cheek. Those are not usually ways used to describe financial conversations. I caught up with author Emily Guy Birken. She teamed up with Joe Saul-Sehy to write the book 'Stacked: Your Super Serious Guide To Modern Money Management.' To say that title is a little sarcastic is an understatement.

Stacked is filled with really helpful and easy tips to getting the most out of your money. But it's written in a way that leaves the suit and tie at the door. I feel like Emily and Joe are talking to me like a normal person and I appreciate that.

Emily and I chat about the book, why tracking apps don't help you and how we're terrible at remembering the names of roads.