In this episode of talking with apples, we speak to John O'Reilly about cross platform development and Kotlin Multiplatform. We take a deep dive into what these are, how well they are doing amongst developers and what business think about them. We also spoke about SwiftUI and Jetpack Compose and how these native UI toolkits is changing the way we do mobile development. We also spoke briefly around tooling for KMM. We also touched on GraphQL a bit and Ktor and how they are effecting the mobile space. 

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