John Shaw speaks with Tanisha Fazal in this episode of Simoncast(Photo courtesy tanishafazal.com / tanishafazal.com)

Tanisha Fazal, a professor of political science at the University of Minnesota, talks about why she studies war — "my motivation is usually about trying to mitigate war's worst effects," she says — why we should be thinking differently about the costs of war, and what makes Russia's war in Ukraine unique.

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