In this episode of The Digital Accessibility Podcast, Joe is joined by Tanya Van Workum and Jan Jaap De Groot of ABRA, a mobile accessibility consultancy based in the Netherlands.

With deep experience across iOS and Android accessibility, Tanya and Jan Jaap share how their backgrounds in design, development, and lived experience have shaped ABRA’s mission to make mobile apps genuinely usable for everyone.

Together, we explore what good mobile accessibility really looks like in practice, why it’s still so often overlooked, and how teams can move beyond compliance toward meaningful inclusion.

We discuss:

1. Building ABRA: How Tanya and Jan Jaap came together to form a mobile-first accessibility consultancy, and why they chose to specialise exclusively in iOS and Android.
2. Why mobile accessibility is different: The unique challenges of touch interfaces, gestures, screen readers, and platform-specific behaviours that are often misunderstood by teams.
3. From audits to empowerment: Why accessibility audits alone aren’t enough, and how education, collaboration, and developer confidence are key to long-term impact.
4. Designers, developers, and responsibility: Where accessibility ownership should sit, and how cross-functional teams can work better together.
5. The human side of accessibility: How working closely with disabled users changes perspectives, priorities, and product decisions.
6. Common myths and mistakes: Including a few surprising misconceptions about mobile accessibility that Tanya and Jan Jaap see time and time again.

We also touch on how organisations can embed accessibility earlier in the product lifecycle, what “good enough” really means in mobile accessibility, and why curiosity and humility matter just as much as technical knowledge.

Follow ABRA:

Website: https://www.abra.ai

Connect with the guests:

Tanya Van Workum (LinkedIn): https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanya-van-workum/

Jan Jaap De Groot (LinkedIn): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-jaap/

Follow Joe James:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeajames/

Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/A11yJoe

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PCRDigital

Visit PCR Digital:

https://www.pcrdigital.com/