Marc Burrows and Michael Crouch interview Matt Tice and Bill Kinkle from Pathways to Housing PA in Philadelphia to hear about their progressive "housing first" program that practices harm reduction instead of abstinence. Visit www.pathwaystohousingpa.org to learn more. This episode is sponsored by Appalachian Standard Hemp. Visit www.apphemp.com for all your CBD products and use promo code "TAP10" at checkout. All proceeds help support Challenges Inc; South Carolina's only syringe services program. Visit www.challengesinc.org for more info. As always, music by Blake Robertson. New album coming soon.

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