After discussing the popular fan theory that the scarf in "All Too Well" symbolizes Taylor's virginity and contrasting readings of "All Too Well" with readings of Moby Dick, Clio asks what Jack Antonoff's statement that you can hear Stephen Sondheim's and James Lapine's Into the Woods in everything he does means for our understanding of his collaborations with Taylor Swift. 

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Music: "Happy Strummin" by Audionautix. 
Cover art by Finley Doyle. See more of Finley's work at https://tangelofin.wordpress.com/.