Jonas Smedegaard has been part of the central team that maintains the Debian operating system for many years. Debian is a very important part of the open source ecosystem with a core team of about a thousand, with tens of thousands of contributors. Many other projects benefit from the work done by the Debian community. In this conversation, we discuss open source in general and a lot about Debian and where it fits into the landscape. We also explore the FreedomBox project. FreedomBox was envisioned about eight years ago by Eben Moglen, a hero in the battle to liberate public encryption as part of the of the Free and Open Source Software Foundation. Music Bumper music: *Phantom from Space* by Kevin MacLeod. Links [Debian's home site](https:///debian.org/) [FreedomBox site](http://freedombox.org) [FreedomBox Foundation](https://freedomboxfoundation.org) [freeopensourcesoftware.org](http://www.freeopensourcesoftware.org)