Author Michael Lind joins Emmet to talk about his research speech on democratic pluralism in the 21st century. They discuss regime type, managerialism and technocracy, sector bargaining, the beauty of big, dumb, and simple, his forthcoming book on labor called Hell to Pay, and more.

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You can read Michael Lind's speech here: https://compactmag.com/article/democratic-pluralism-for-the-21st-century

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