Warning: book spoilers ahead!

Jesse Landis, Associate Release Manager, and Michael Meidenbauer, Software Engineer, discuss the devops tour-de-force novel The Phoenix Project by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford. They go into their favorite moments, how Lean manufacturing principles apply to software development, and some of the controversial parts of the book. They also decide if they know anyone who reminds them of any of the characters in the book.