What is technocracy? Are we in one? If so, how did we get here? In the first episode of Technology for Dummies, host Sam Simon talks with Jennifer Pahlka, former Deputy CTO and founder of Code for America. We chat about the US government's dysfunctional relationship to technology, past accumulating into the present. It's hard to move fast and break things when the systems already move slowly and are broken.

TFD is produced and edited by Sam Simon and Matty Rosenberg at Radio Free Rhinecliff.