In this episode (throwback to Black Hat 2024), Jeffrey talks to Munish Walther-Puri, Adjunct Fellow at NYU Center for Global Affairs. Jeffrey and Munish discuss exploring real-life challenges through fantasy and science fiction movies, allowing us to think through the more "uncomfortable" topics in a comfortable space. Have you heard of a "pirate unicorn?" Doubtful. Listen to episode 80 to find out.