TGP PSA: Most overlanders—aren’t.

For every would-be Instagram “influencer” out there desperately trying to hype and spin their way to being the next Expedition Overland (without years of focused craftsmanship), there’s probably 10 actually exploring the world by car. Everything else is just camping and vanity.

In this episode Brian talks to Robert & Gayla Scrivener, a couple legit overlanders he met at Overland Expo West 2019, and whose podcast is as sweet and buttery smooth as their approach to overlanding itself. They call it Been There Doing That.