In conversation with Professor Thalia Anthony who has expertise in the areas of criminal law and procedure, with a particular specialisation in Indigenous criminalisation and Indigenous community justice mechanisms. We discuss the history of 'blackbirding' in Australia, the case for reparations, as well criminal justice system reformation in relation to Indigenous people and the definition of systemic racism. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people should be aware that the names of people who are deceased are mentioned in this interview.