In this special live discussion, I’m joined by Pavel from the Psicoactivo Podcast to break down one of the biggest flashpoints currently developing in the UAP conversation.

Ross Coulthart and UAP Gerb have both raised serious questions around Lue Elizondo’s alleged past role within the so-called legacy program, his possible involvement in controlled disclosure, and whether he would be the right person to lead any future UAP transparency effort.

We discuss what Ross said, why Gerb’s comments have landed so strongly, the rumoured “UAP czar” role, the divide between controlled disclosure and full transparency, and how David Grusch may have changed the entire direction of the conversation.

We also get into the wider implications for whistleblowers, national security, amnesty, The Age of Disclosure, Jay Stratton’s upcoming book, and whether the UAP community is entering a new and more fractured phase.

This is not about character assassination. It is a conversation about trust, disclosure, secrecy, and who the public should rely on as this topic moves forward.

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Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a wide-ranging discussion on the Disclosure Forum, the reaction to the event, the role of new UFO organisations, and whether the public is being prepared for genuine disclosure or a heavily managed version of it.

We get into the tone of the Forum, the awards, the lack of truly new information, and the bigger question of what these events are actually trying to achieve. The conversation also turns to whistleblowers like Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland, possible executive action around protections, the rumours of a UFO “czar”, and whether any future disclosure process will prioritise truth, accountability, or control.

This one goes deep into amnesty, historical crimes, classified reality, national security, the threat narrative, global disclosure, and whether the world would actually change if the truth finally came out.

A huge thanks to the Doomer Friday team for having me back on.

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Was the event serious enough?
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Whistleblowers and legal protection
Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland and Vanguard
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Controlled disclosure vs full disclosure
Amnesty, accountability and hidden crimes
Would the public care about the cover-up?
Is “reality classified”?
The threat narrative and national security
What disclosure could actually look like
Why the world may not change overnight

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This week’s UAP news is moving fast.

Andy breaks down the newly discussed UAP Science Advisory Council connected to Avi Loeb, the controversial appointment of Michael Shermer, Anna Paulina Luna’s comments on possible new UAP file drops, the upcoming MKUltra hearing, and the Disclosure Foundation Forum in Washington DC.

From Congress and science to intelligence secrecy, whistleblowers, psychology and public trust, the conversation is no longer just about whether UFOs are real. It is about who controls the information, who gets brought into the room, and whether we are seeing real transparency or the next stage of the cover-up.

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Andy is joined by John Priestland and Dr Martin Abbass from Unhidden, a UK-based, medically led organisation looking at one of the most overlooked parts of the UAP conversation: the people.

Their new report, *Preparing for Disclosure*, asks what might happen if society is confronted with information that fundamentally changes our understanding of reality, and whether governments, health systems, doctors, therapists and communities are remotely prepared for the psychological and social impact.

This conversation explores stigma, experiencers, mental health, ontological shock, public health preparedness, the role of clinicians, and why disclosure — if it ever comes — may not only be a political or scientific issue, but a human one.

A different kind of conversation, but an important one.

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Professor Avi Loeb returns to That UFO Podcast following his appointment to lead the Science Advisory Council supporting the new U.S. government UAP governance structure.

In this conversation, Avi explains how the council came together, who is involved, how it will interact with government agencies, and whether meaningful progress can be made using only unclassified information.

We discuss the latest UAP file releases, the role of skepticism within the council, why Michael Shermer was included, whistleblower protections, transparency, and whether the public can expect regular updates from the group's work.

We also explore Avi's views on crash retrieval claims, biologics, the possibility of non-human technology, and the debate surrounding Dr. Beatriz Villarroel's pre-Sputnik transient research.

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• The new U.S. UAP governance structure
• Avi's role leading the Science Advisory Council
• Access to classified vs unclassified data
• Recent UAP document releases
• Crash retrieval and biologics claims
• Whistleblower protections
• Michael Shermer's inclusion on the council
• Beatriz Villarroel's transient research
• The search for conclusive evidence

Got thoughts on the new council or a question for a future Avi Loeb appearance? Let me know in the comments.

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In Part 2 of my extended conversation with Richard Dolan, we move beyond disclosure politics and into some of the deepest questions surrounding the UFO phenomenon.

We discuss whether some aspects of the phenomenon may be darker than many researchers are willing to admit, why Richard believes humanity may be facing challenges of its own making, and what decades of UFO and USO reports suggest about the behaviour of the intelligence behind these encounters.

Drawing on research from his new book, A History of USOs Volume 2, Richard explains how studying patterns across thousands of cases has changed his understanding of the phenomenon and what it may reveal about the long-term presence of these objects around our planet.

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Richard Dolan returns to That UFO Podcast for a deep dive into the biggest developments in the UFO/UAP conversation right now.

In Part 1, we focus on the latest UFO file releases, the ongoing push for transparency, David Grusch's recent comments, and whether what we're witnessing is actually disclosure—or something very different.

Richard shares his thoughts on the apparent battle between transparency and secrecy factions, why he believes many people have become caught up in "disclosure mania," and what historical government records reveal about recurring UFO waves and patterns stretching back decades.

We also discuss:

This is Part 1 of a special extended conversation with Richard Dolan.

Part 2 will focus on USOs, underwater mysteries, the darker aspects of the phenomenon, humanity's future, and Richard's latest research.

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Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a wide-ranging collaboration with UAP Gerb, Rob Jones and others, breaking down the latest David Grusch Capitol Hill press conference, the push to waive NDAs for UAP whistleblowers, and why protections, amnesty and accountability may be key to moving disclosure forward.

The conversation also covers Representative Burlison’s approach, legacy crash retrieval claims, private contractors, AARO, whistleblower retaliation, and a surprise drop-in from Dylan Borland, who speaks directly about protecting witnesses and holding agencies, government and private industry accountable.

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Breaking news: War.gov/UFO has released its third batch of UAP files, videos and NASA audio but does Release 3.0 actually move the conversation forward?

Andy breaks down the new drop, including six newly released videos, several NASA audio files, and a batch of FBI, CIA, Department of War and AARO-linked documents. The headline themes this time are orbs, “plasma” sphere reports, digital recreations, and a notable Cheyenne Mountain/Fort Carson case involving a strange white, oval object witnessed by a former Army intelligence officer and others.

But after the expectations set by Capitol Hill, David Grusch, the UAP Caucus and recent whistleblower momentum, this release raises a bigger question: is this transparency, or managed disappointment?

A rapid reaction to Release 3.0, what stands out, what doesn’t, and why this may tell us where the official UFO file drops are really heading.

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Andy is joined by investigative filmmaker and journalist Jeremy Corbell for a wide-ranging conversation on the latest UAP developments, government video releases, whistleblowers, Congress, David Grusch, Sleeping Dog, and what may still be hidden from the public.

Jeremy discusses the recent UAP video drops, why he says the footage released so far is only a fraction of what exists, how he and George Knapp have helped point Congress toward specific files, and why he believes the public has still not seen the strongest evidence.

They also get into the whistleblower process, the pressure faced by those coming forward, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, Vanguard, Capitol Hill, media coverage, and why Corbell believes public pressure remains vital to moving this issue forward.

A serious and at times intense conversation about UAP transparency, accountability, and the fight to get

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