Van life, dating boundaries, and Michael Jackson as Jesus?

This episode goes everywhere in the best way possible. Bri and Kat are back with the kind of conversation that starts with life on the road in Poland and ends with a full-on theory about why Michael Jackson is still changing culture from beyond the grave.

Kat shares what it’s really like living out of a beautifully built van with her friend in Gdańsk, from parking in the middle of the city to the strange freedom of taking home wherever you go. Bri opens up about the possibility of leaving Barcelona and why letting go of a place that once felt like home can feel a lot like a breakup.

Then the conversation gets deeper. The two unpack the difference between Western and Eastern European dating culture, why women’s standards shape how men behave, and why safety and consistency matter so much in relationships. Bri also tells a very recent dating story that turns into a masterclass on boundaries, consent, and what happens when someone reacts badly to a simple “not yet.”

And just when you think that’s the main event, the episode pivots into a wildly compelling discussion about Michael Jackson, his cultural legacy, and why both hosts feel like he carried something bigger than fame. They connect his music, his message, and his public treatment to themes of love, sacrifice, divine purpose, and the kind of joy that outlives a lifetime.

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Keywords

van life, freedom, home, non-attachment, Eastern Europe, gender dynamics, relationships, dating, cultural observations, boundaries, Michael Jackson, intimacy, consent, self-awareness, music, legacy, emotional safety, personal growth

We're SO BACK (And Returning to Love)

After an unexpected hiatus, Kat and Bri are reuniting across borders—joining you from Spain and Poland to catch you up on the massive life updates, career resets, and personal shifts they've been navigating.

In this catch-up episode, the girls dive deep into what it truly means to walk the middle path. Inspired by Marianne Williamson’s spiritual classic, A Return to Love, they explore how ego, hyper-independence, and the "forceful masculine" can block us from receiving the very love, support, and abundance we crave. From resolving roommate awkwardness with radical, unconditional compassion to overcoming "older sister syndrome" and finally letting family hold space for us, this conversation is an honest, real-time look at choosing love over fear.

They also get real about:

• Breaking the "forced romantic narrative"—including a highly anticipated update on roster candidate Number 5 and how shifting from expectation to ease changed the entire vibe.
• Balancing the pendulum swing—Kat shares her journey of swinging from burnt-out "girlboss overdrive" to a floating "universe-will-provide fairy," and how she's finally integrating both into a healthy middle ground.
• Caring for the physical vessel—Why you might not actually need a tarot reading or a chakra alignment at 2:00 AM; sometimes you’re just dehydrated and need a glass of water, a normal meal, and a good night's sleep.

Grab your rose quartz, get cozy, and let’s return to love together.

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After Kat’s wild two-month "free trial" side quest in Bali, she and Bri are finally reuniting back on the couch in Barcelona. In this long-awaited catch-up episode, the girls download a massive two years' worth of growth, self-discovery, and spiritual realignments.

They dive deep into the magic of "Mama Bali"— including how the island's high frequency coordinates your energy, curates its community, and violently spits out anyone disrespecting local values. Together, they explore the ultimate "Hero's Journey" of returning home, confronting family triggers, and finally overcoming the eldest-daughter trap of trying to carry the entire world on your shoulders.

From Bri’s deeply healing homecoming trip to California to Kat’s upcoming integration period in Poland, this conversation is a real-time look at finding comfort in the unknown, honoring your natural cycles, and realizing that we are never truly separated.

They also get real about:

• Trippin' in Gili: Kat shares one of the absolute best experiences of her life— doing psychedelic mushrooms with the "Banana Boys," turning into Ariel the mermaid in the ocean, and losing all concept of her wallet and phone password.
• Summer Roster vs. Monk Mode: Bri breaks down her legendary (and highly varied) July dating lineup— featuring Ibiza, Argentina, and the complicated, elusive "Number 5"— before flipping a switch straight into a ritual-heavy "monk mode" for August eclipse season.
• The "One Embryo" Connection: Exploring their uncanny telepathy, how they finish each other's sentences, and the magnetic pull that literally had them randomly sitting on the same street bench here in Barcelona.

Grab your coconut water, get cozy, and let's jump back into the portal together. Follow the pod and stay connected!

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Listen. Life got busy. Apartment hunting, moving, breaking up, one way tickets... But we're SO BACK.

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Kat's Substack

Bri's Substack

In this two-part series, Kat and Bri share their spiritual awakening journeys— where they were when they "woke up," their first encounters with the spiritual dimension, and how surrendering to the healer's path uniquely transformed their lives.

We close with Bri’s story— her transformation from people-pleasing, chronic “good girl” syndrome, trauma, and shame into deep self-compassion, empowerment, and a sense of true freedom found in surrendering to the natural flow of love from the Universe.

In this episode, Bri shares moments that led to her spiritual awakening, the ceremonies that changed everything, her transformative experiences with Reiki, and her return to authenticity that led her to where she is today.

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In this episode, co-hosts Kat and Bri explore the subtle but powerful difference between admiration and appreciation when it comes to the masculine in our lives— and how this shift can transform the way we relate to men, connection, and ourselves.

They dive into what the masculine truly needs from the feminine: not fixing, not controlling, but a space to soften, to land, and to be seen without pressure. Kat and Bri unpack how feminine energy, through its intuition, presence, and openness, has the ability to inspire and uplift the masculine— not by doing more, but by being.

From real-life relationship dynamics to deeper energetic patterns, they explore how staying rooted in your own energy while honoring his creates a sense of mutual support, respect, and polarity. Because it’s not about becoming the same— it’s about learning how to meet, move, and grow together.

Grab your best bitch and a cup of tea, listen together, and send this episode to the friend who’s ready to soften, receive, and relate in a whole new way 💫

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In this two-part series, Kat and Bri share their spiritual awakening journeys— where they were when they "woke up," their first encounters with the spiritual dimension, and how surrendering to the healer's path uniquely transformed their lives.

We begin with Kat's story: her shift from overwhelm, exhaustion, and shame toward self-compassion, trust in the Universe, and the signs that guided her toward inner healing and liberation.

In this episode, Kat shares her first encounter with energy healing, "the Book" that changed everything, her first experience of true inner peace, and the signs and synchronicities that guided her along the way.

Tune in next week for Bri's spiritual awakening story— and the uncanny parallels between their two journeys you won't want to miss.

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The Untethered Soul by Michael Alan Singer

In this episode, co-hosts Kat and Bri dive into the dance between feminine and masculine energy— what these energies actually mean, how they show up in our lives, and why understanding them can completely shift the way we move through relationships and work.

They explore how many women have been conditioned to live primarily in masculine “doing” energy— pushing, striving, and constantly producing— and what happens when we begin to consciously step back into a more receptive feminine state. Kat and Bri talk about how slowing down, allowing, and trusting can actually give you your energy back and help you magnetize more of what’s truly aligned for you.

From relationship dynamics to career, they unpack how balancing these energies can create more ease, connection, and flow.

Grab your best bitch and a cup of tea, listen together, and send this episode to the friend who’s ready to step back into her power 💫

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Welcome to That Bitch That Witch, the podcast that blends the spiritual and the everyday to help you create a magical, meaningful life through intuition, ritual, and trust in Divine Source.

Here we talk about energy, manifestation, our life paths so far, what our missions in life look like, and all the messy, magical moments of being human while walking a spiritual path. Expect honest conversations, practical tools, and a little cosmic chaos to remind you that your power has always been yours.

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