[0:00 – 1:30] Intro

[1:31 – 2:31] How drawing became a respite from family disputes

[2:32 – 3:59] Getting inspiration from beatnik counter-culture at the Corcoran School of Art in D.C. and using artistic inclination to make social connections in teen suburbia

[3:59 – 5:33] Linking her talent to the field of graphic design

[5: 34– 6:56] Embracing time and failure as the greatest teachers, “For me, finding what I’m good at is an ever-evolving playing field.”

[6:57 – 8:13] The importance of pissing off the older generations. “To discover something you have to make errors. Discoveries look weird when they’re new. Then someone comes along and does it better. Discoveries may not be recognized, but they’re necessary.”

[8:14 – 19:42] The no-formula formula for rule breaking. “Be a brat, break the norm,” and how Helvetica became a symbol of corporate culture and the Vietnam War.

[8:14 – 23: 20] The benefits of smoking cigarettes in a cubicle with your boss

[23: 20 – 27:01] Becoming an Art Director at Atlantic Records and designing iconic album covers

[27:01 – 29: 02] Being “dead serious” about designing album covers, moving into freelance work, magazines, running a design firm, then finally joining Pentagram

[29: 02 – 32:34]  The benefits of learning through failure, what she’s most proud of, being unable to pick favorites, and always moving on to the next piece

[32:35 – 35: 04]  Teaching clients “how to see” and the benefit of taking the time to explain ideas

[35: 05 -- 36: 49] Working at Pentagram for 28 years and their unique shared work structure

[36: 50 – 44:40] Advice for young designers, how time constraints have changed the industry’s portfolio review system, and the consequences of large tech companies on creativity

“The A-List” is a podcast produced by DiMassimo Goldstein, an inspiring action agency, recorded at the Gramercy Post, and sponsored by the Adhouse Advertising School, New York’s newest, smallest, and hippest ad school. You can subscribe and rate the show on iTunes or listen along on SoundCloud. For updates on upcoming episodes and guests, be sure to like the A-List Podcast on Facebook and follow host Tom Christmann on Twitter.