The Israelites had already watched the Red Sea split and still grumbled their way through the wilderness. Why? Because knowing God is good and living like it are two different battles, fought in two different places: the heart, and the mind.
In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Catherine Mueller-Bell, LPC — a Christian counseling professor with over 40 years of clinical mental health counseling experience and 24 years as a professor of counseling. Dr. Mueller-Bell specializes in trauma-informed and intercultural counseling, serves as an Ambassador of Counselor Education in Zambia, Peru, and India, and teaches counseling from a Christian worldview at Grand Canyon University.
Together we unpack:
• What’s actually happening psychologically when our heart’s posture shifts
• Why our default in hard seasons leans toward grumbling and striving instead of trust
• The fight, flight, fawn, freeze response and what it means for our faith
• How Romans 12:2’s call to “renew your mind” lines up with what psychology says about reshaping thought patterns
• Practical, research-backed tools for shifting a fearful posture into a trusting one
• What to do when you know the truth but still feel stuck
This is a conversation for anyone who has ever wondered why trust feels harder than it should and wants to understand both the science and the Scripture behind it.
Rooted in John 15:5. Part of the Why Our Heart’s Posture Matters series.