This week it's the turn of the AFL to return to the Australian sporting landscape. How great to see the Sherrin flying again! Another positive sign of life getting back to normal for sure.

Joining Simon and Jonathan in Episode #4 of the MADMEN Podcasts are two fascinating people, Sarah Cumming a journalist, news presenter and mother of two and her husband Stuart Dew a dual premiership-player for Port Adelaide and Hawthorn and now Head Coach for the Gold Coast Suns.

They talk about life outside the "bubble" of Sydney, guiding young athletes through the perils of social media, building culture at the Suns and navigating the road out of COVID-19.

Another great yarn!