Jon and Casey continue their discussion about the early design of Braid: specifically how Jon arrived at the design identity of Braid, and how developer design perspectives affect the player experience.

Braid, Anniversary Edition has launched! You can pick it up on Steam, PlayStation, Nintendo Switch, Xbox, or play it via Netflix on mobile devices—maybe the one you're using now!

Host: Jonathan Blow

Guest: Casey Muratori

Producer: Jason Brisson

Editor: Will Torbett

Intro Song: "Downstream" by Shira Kammen (based on "O son do ar" by Bieito Romero and "Borrela d'Aragon" by Eric Montbel)