In this episode, Matthias Mühlert, Group CISO at Dr. August Oetker KG, challenges the way we think about AI. He explains why AI is more like a “soulless bureaucrat” than a rebellious machine, why freezing human values in code is risky, and how we should govern AI like an immune system rather than a thermostat. This conversation offers fresh insights for security professionals and anyone curious about the real challenges of AI.