Community organizer and educator Dustin Gibson discusses the white supremacist, colonial, capitalist roots of ableism which structures capitalist society, why a disability justice framework must be abolitionist, and why "the state always has a carceral response to disabled Black people."

Throughout the episode, you will hear the following audio clips:

• Leroy Moore discussing the erasure of Emmett Till's disability 
• Members of Fairfax County, Virginia, at a public forum following the killing of Natasha McKenna
• Jennifer Msumba describing the abuse faced at the Judge Rotenberg Center in Canton, Mass.

Cover image: “Back of the Neck,” (1983) by Jean-Michel Basquiat