How is America, right now, best described as a person “freaking out at a vending machine”?

How is a good conversation best described as a “hallway with infinite doorknobs?”

Why is the Vancouver World Expo of 1986 a time and place that offers profound insights into the makeup of both Dean Haglund and Phil Leirness?

All these questions are explained and answered on this brand new episode of “The Art Life”!

For the past several years, Dean Haglund, Phil Leirness, and Jon Lawlor have been getting together almost weekly to hold each other’s feet to the fire in the pursuit of creating art that is filled with life, while also learning how to live more artfully. Now, Chillpak Hollywood Presents “The Art Life” as a regular podcast!

This week’s other topics include …

*Jon’s music writing process

*Birmingham, Michigan, as a hub for art galleries that end up on the police blotter and as an architectural blueprint for post-war America

*What the Meisner technique taught Jon and his classmates about being present to the moment in life, as well as in art

*Stories about Phil’s father and about Phil’s love affair with the Golden State Warriors, dating back to his being a ball boy in the 1970s

*The emotional intelligence on display in the 1987 movie The Untouchables

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