Fred Vogel is a man of many talents. He's a painter, he's a filmmaker, he's a philosopher. In this wide ranging conversation with Mike Beltran, the two talk about creativity, fulfillment, Miami, race, police brutality, strip club rules in the time of COVID-19, and the idea that everything —even your morning dookie — is art. Follow Fred on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sweetbabyfred/ Become a patron: www.patreon.com/DADEmag

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