In this episode, host Sam Ketch (SKetch Media / TwoFiftyOne) is joined by one of The Athletic's senior football writers and one of the country's best football writers - Ollie Kay - to discuss getting into journalism, writing about England during the dark days, his work at The Times and his thoughts on The Athletic... Oh, and 'Daisy cutter-gate' on the Football Clichés Podcast. Sit back, relax and enjoy an hour of one of football journalism's brightest sparks.