Optimal Blue Podcasts – Optimal Insights & Market Advantage

The Art of the Complex Loan: Vince Zenner on Non-QM Strategy | Market Updates | June 9, 2025


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In this episode, the Optimal Insights team dives into the latest economic indicators, including employment data, inflation expectations, and treasury auctions. They explore the implications of recent job market trends, AI’s impact on entry-level employment, and the broader economic sentiment.

A major focus is the growing momentum in the non-QM (non-qualified mortgage) space, with special guest, Vince Zenner, offering expert insights into risk management, hedging strategies, and the role of technology in streamlining complex loan products. The discussion emphasizes the shift from passive to active management across the mortgage industry.

Key Topics Covered:

  • Employment data and its mixed signals
  • Inflation expectations and upcoming CPI/PPI reports
  • Treasury auctions and foreign investor sentiment
  • GSE privatization debate
  • Non-QM market growth, technology adoption, and hedging strategies
  • Portfolio management and risk-adjusted returns

Tune in to gain valuable insights to help you stay ahead and maximize your profitability in the ever-evolving mortgage landscape.

Optimal Insights Team:

  • Jeff McCarty, VP of Hedging & Trading Product, Optimal Blue
  • Alex Hebner, Hedge Account Manager, Optimal Blue
  • Vimi Vasudeva, Managing Director, Optimal Blue

Special Guest:

  • Vince Zenner, Managing Director of Portfolio Management, Rate

Production Team:

  • Executive Producer: Sara Holtz
  • Producers: Matt Gilhooly & Hailey Boyer

Commentary included in the podcast shall not be construed as, nor is Optimal Blue providing, any legal, trading, hedging, or financial advice.

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