In a world full of clichés and well-intentioned but unhelpful advice, what do we really need to hear when we're grieving? 

In this episode, we talk with Pastor Cheryl Bay about her book, "What Not to Say," which provides an honest look at what it truly means to support someone in pain. While the story is born from the loss of a loved one, the lessons are universal, offering a path to healing for both the grieving person and those who want to help. 

Get ready for a conversation that will change the way you think about empathy and compassion.

Check out and grab a copy of the book here:
https://a.co/d/2jCU06i

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