Jordan Gracey may be an average runner, but his itch for the heart of running and creating is palpable.

Gracey is one of three behind "AVRG," a DIY-zine tailored for all runners. 

Check out Issue 001 from AVRG.

We recorded this episode back in September.

While we do touch on running and AVRG in this conversation, Jordan graciously shared in my meanderings about trail shoes, the beauty and complexities of Kogonada’s film Columbus, and Gracey’s roots in the music scene.

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