Join Jordan Shelley, Gavin Muldoon, Steve Goodall and guest host in the studio behaviourist Natalie Light for episode five of The Barking Mad Show! In this episode Jordan interviews veterinary behaviourist Dr Chris Pachel in Portland about everything from synergy between trainers and behaviourists, dog law, training technique and much more... This episode we chat in the studio about choosing the best trainer or behaviourist for you, fireworks, jumping up, markers and there's another great tune! Please send feedback, questions and music to [email protected] we look forward to hearing from you all!