Bo and Ben discuss Josh Hawley and post-liberal conservatism. What is post-liberal conservatism? Is it actually post-liberal? Bo and Ben agree that it is largely a high-level philosophical criticism of some liberal principles that is remains within the liberal paradigm. But there is something real at stake in the debate. Bo has more sympathy for Ahmari and others than does Ben, but he agrees that their positive program is at best inchoate.

They then discuss Joe Biden’s economic vision, or “Bidenomics.” Does Biden have a coherent economic vision? And if he does, is it one we should want to promote? Bo and Ben agree that there is a kind of vision, that it’s mostly positive, but worry about the size of the stimulus package and think Biden should focus more on infrastructure.

Against Frenchism: https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/against-david-french-ism

French/Ahmari debate: https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/david-french-sohrab-ahmari-and-the-battle-for-the-future-of-conservatism

Hawley and post-liberalism: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/josh-hawley-could-be-the-face-of-the-post-trump-right.html

Bidenomics: https://thebulwark.com/the-birth-of-bidenomics/