The Big Red Bus: A Chicago Bulls Podcast

The Big Red Bus - Episode 183 - Fun Bad or Fun Mediocre


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See Red Fred and the Podfather Doug Thonus address a variety of Pre Preseason Questions.

Storytime: See Red Fred describes an incident that occurred before a battle with Little People Wrestlers. It was discussed at a wedding last Sunday. Memories about a past performance incident involving sound checks and a confrontation with a fan were forgotten.

  • Incident Details:

    • Sound Check: SRF played "Californication" by Red Hot Chili Peppers during sound checks to set levels.
    • Fan Confrontation:
    • Relevance to Current Season:

      • Comparison between past performance struggles and the current team rebuild.
      • Emphasizes the emotional and mental challenges of team rebuilding periods.
        • Doug Thonus Full Rebuild vs. Controlled Dip:

          • Full Rebuild Approach:

            • Strategy: Trade valuable players to accumulate multiple first-round draft picks.
            • Historical Reference:
            • Pros and Cons:
            • Controlled Dip Approach:

              • Strategy: Slight reduction in wins to integrate young players without over-committing to a full rebuild.
              • Pros and Cons:
              • Analytical Views:

                • Both strategies have low probabilities of success due to reliance on multiple factors aligning, including player development and draft luck.
                • Execution by the front office is critical but currently lacking confidence.
                  • Current Front Office Evaluation:

                    • Front office lacks the vision and execution capability to implement successful rebuilding strategies.
                    • Decisions appear reactionary rather than planned and strategic.
                      • Key Players Discussed:

                        • Vooch:

                          • Criticized for being overpaid relative to his performance.
                          • Contract extension viewed negatively due to maintenance of high salary without correspondingly high performance.
                          • DeMar DeRozan:

                            • Recent trade criticized as a poor fit for the team’s strategy.
                            • Patrick Williams:

                              • Signed to a contract that appears unfavorable compared to peers.
                              • Injured, impacting his readiness for the season.
                              • Torrey Craig:

                                • Signed via a player option, maintaining team’s ability to compete.
                                • Balancing veteran presence with developing young talent.
                                • Josh Giddey:

                                  • Discussed extensively regarding potential and contract expectations.
                                  • Debate on fair market value and role within the team.
                                  • Contract Negotiations:

                                    • Josh Giddey:

                                      • See Red Fred & Doug Thonus discuss his appropriate salary based on performance.
                                      • Agreement on a ceiling of around $20 million annually.
                                      • Concerns about overpaying if performance doesn’t meet expectations.
                                      • Patrick Williams:

                                        • Concerns about the timing and terms of his contract given injury history.
                                          • Josh Giddey:

                                            • Strengths:

                                              • Excellent rebounder and passer.
                                              • Potential to develop into a significant playmaker with strength improvements.
                                              • Weaknesses:

                                                • Currently lacks strength necessary to maximize potential in the paint.
                                                • Inconsistent efficiency and defensive capabilities.
                                                • Contract Discussion:

                                                  • Suggested market value around $20 million.
                                                  • Risks associated with overpaying without guaranteed performance improvement.
                                                    • Rebranding Concepts:

                                                      • "Fun Bad":

                                                        • Acknowledges the team's entertaining but subpar performance.
                                                        • Emphasizes young players show growth with a focus on entertaining play.
                                                        • "Fun Mediocre" or "Fun Average":

                                                          • Alternative branding ideas reflecting the team's balanced outlook between competition and entertainment.
                                                          • Team Expectations:

                                                            • Performance Goals:

                                                              • Likely outcome cited as around 30-win season.
                                                              • Possibility of being a "fun bad" or "fun mediocre" team with moments of excitement.
                                                              • Player Development:

                                                                • Focus on developing young talent like Josh Giddey.
                                                                • Potential for entertaining playstyles contributing to highlight-worthy moments.
                                                                  • Final Sentiments:

                                                                    • Optimism about the team being more enjoyable to watch despite challenges.
                                                                    • Encouragement for listeners to continue supporting and following team developments.
                                                                      • Listener Engagement:

                                                                        • Encourage listeners to leave positive reviews on iTunes and Amazon.

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