September 29, 2024

The Big Red Bus - Episode 183 - Fun Bad or Fun Mediocre

59 minutes

See Red Fred and the Podfather Doug Thonus address a variety of Pre Preseason Questions.

Storytime: See Red Fred describes an incident that occurred before a battle with Little People Wrestlers. It was discussed at a wedding last Sunday. Memories about a past performance incident involving sound checks and a confrontation with a fan were forgotten.

Incident Details:

Sound Check: SRF played "Californication" by Red Hot Chili Peppers during sound checks to set levels.

Fan Confrontation:

Relevance to Current Season:

Comparison between past performance struggles and the current team rebuild.

Emphasizes the emotional and mental challenges of team rebuilding periods.

Doug Thonus Full Rebuild vs. Controlled Dip:

Full Rebuild Approach:

Strategy: Trade valuable players to accumulate multiple first-round draft picks.

Historical Reference:

Pros and Cons:

Controlled Dip Approach:

Strategy: Slight reduction in wins to integrate young players without over-committing to a full rebuild.

Pros and Cons:

Analytical Views:

Both strategies have low probabilities of success due to reliance on multiple factors aligning, including player development and draft luck.

Execution by the front office is critical but currently lacking confidence.

Current Front Office Evaluation:

Front office lacks the vision and execution capability to implement successful rebuilding strategies.

Decisions appear reactionary rather than planned and strategic.

Key Players Discussed:

Vooch:

Criticized for being overpaid relative to his performance.

Contract extension viewed negatively due to maintenance of high salary without correspondingly high performance.

DeMar DeRozan:

Recent trade criticized as a poor fit for the team’s strategy.

Patrick Williams:

Signed to a contract that appears unfavorable compared to peers.

Injured, impacting his readiness for the season.

Torrey Craig:

Signed via a player option, maintaining team’s ability to compete.

Balancing veteran presence with developing young talent.

Josh Giddey:

Discussed extensively regarding potential and contract expectations.

Debate on fair market value and role within the team.

Contract Negotiations:

Josh Giddey:

See Red Fred & Doug Thonus discuss his appropriate salary based on performance.

Agreement on a ceiling of around $20 million annually.

Concerns about overpaying if performance doesn’t meet expectations.

Patrick Williams:

Concerns about the timing and terms of his contract given injury history.

Josh Giddey:

Strengths:

Excellent rebounder and passer.

Potential to develop into a significant playmaker with strength improvements.

Weaknesses:

Currently lacks strength necessary to maximize potential in the paint.

Inconsistent efficiency and defensive capabilities.

Contract Discussion:

Suggested market value around $20 million.

Risks associated with overpaying without guaranteed performance improvement.

Rebranding Concepts:

"Fun Bad":

Acknowledges the team's entertaining but subpar performance.

Emphasizes young players show growth with a focus on entertaining play.

"Fun Mediocre" or "Fun Average":

Alternative branding ideas reflecting the team's balanced outlook between competition and entertainment.

Team Expectations:

Performance Goals:

Likely outcome cited as around 30-win season.

Possibility of being a "fun bad" or "fun mediocre" team with moments of excitement.

Player Development:

Focus on developing young talent like Josh Giddey.

Potential for entertaining playstyles contributing to highlight-worthy moments.

Final Sentiments:

Optimism about the team being more enjoyable to watch despite challenges.

Encouragement for listeners to continue supporting and following team developments.

Listener Engagement:

Encourage listeners to leave positive reviews on iTunes and Amazon.

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September 29, 2024

The Big Red Bus - Episode 183 - Fun Bad or Fun Mediocre

59 minutes

See Red Fred and the Podfather Doug Thonus address a variety of Pre Preseason Questions.

Incident Details:

Sound Check: SRF played "Californication" by Red Hot Chili Peppers during sound checks to set levels.

Fan Confrontation:

Relevance to Current Season:

Comparison between past performance struggles and the current team rebuild.

Emphasizes the emotional and mental challenges of team rebuilding periods.

Doug Thonus Full Rebuild vs. Controlled Dip:

Full Rebuild Approach:

Strategy: Trade valuable players to accumulate multiple first-round draft picks.

Historical Reference:

Pros and Cons:

Controlled Dip Approach:

Strategy: Slight reduction in wins to integrate young players without over-committing to a full rebuild.

Pros and Cons:

Analytical Views:

Both strategies have low probabilities of success due to reliance on multiple factors aligning, including player development and draft luck.

Execution by the front office is critical but currently lacking confidence.

Current Front Office Evaluation:

Front office lacks the vision and execution capability to implement successful rebuilding strategies.

Decisions appear reactionary rather than planned and strategic.

Key Players Discussed:

Vooch:

Criticized for being overpaid relative to his performance.

Contract extension viewed negatively due to maintenance of high salary without correspondingly high performance.

DeMar DeRozan:

Recent trade criticized as a poor fit for the team’s strategy.

Patrick Williams:

Signed to a contract that appears unfavorable compared to peers.

Injured, impacting his readiness for the season.

Torrey Craig:

Signed via a player option, maintaining team’s ability to compete.

Balancing veteran presence with developing young talent.

Josh Giddey:

Discussed extensively regarding potential and contract expectations.

Debate on fair market value and role within the team.

Contract Negotiations:

Josh Giddey:

See Red Fred & Doug Thonus discuss his appropriate salary based on performance.

Agreement on a ceiling of around $20 million annually.

Concerns about overpaying if performance doesn’t meet expectations.

Patrick Williams:

Concerns about the timing and terms of his contract given injury history.

Josh Giddey:

Strengths:

Excellent rebounder and passer.

Potential to develop into a significant playmaker with strength improvements.

Weaknesses:

Currently lacks strength necessary to maximize potential in the paint.

Inconsistent efficiency and defensive capabilities.

Contract Discussion:

Suggested market value around $20 million.

Risks associated with overpaying without guaranteed performance improvement.

Rebranding Concepts:

"Fun Bad":

Acknowledges the team's entertaining but subpar performance.

Emphasizes young players show growth with a focus on entertaining play.

"Fun Mediocre" or "Fun Average":

Alternative branding ideas reflecting the team's balanced outlook between competition and entertainment.

Team Expectations:

Performance Goals:

Likely outcome cited as around 30-win season.

Possibility of being a "fun bad" or "fun mediocre" team with moments of excitement.

Player Development:

Focus on developing young talent like Josh Giddey.

Potential for entertaining playstyles contributing to highlight-worthy moments.

Final Sentiments:

Optimism about the team being more enjoyable to watch despite challenges.

Encouragement for listeners to continue supporting and following team developments.

Listener Engagement:

Encourage listeners to leave positive reviews on iTunes and Amazon.

...more

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