What if the headline of our time isn’t “crisis,” “conflict,” or “chaos” — but disruption?

In this episode of Toward a Meaningful Life Podcast, David Cohen and Levi Goldstein unpack Rabbi Simon Jacobson’s powerful perspective: when you zoom out, the turbulence of our era starts to look like a transition — an old world order breaking down as a new one struggles to be born.

We explore:

• Why it’s so hard to think clearly when you’re emotionally inside the moment
• How “disruption” often precedes growth—personally and collectively
• The spiritual idea of the “in-between” space: the vacuum between paradigms
• The unforgettable butterfly-and-cocoon story—and why removing the struggle can remove the ability to soar
• Practical ways to “disrupt yourself” in a healthy way, before life forces disruption on you

If you’ve been feeling unsettled, stuck, or anxious about change—this conversation offers a calmer lens, real-life application, and a hopeful reframing: the struggle may be shaping your wings.

Watch Rabbi Simon Jacobson’s full class here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgO922d4rK8