Thank you for supporting Ursa! We're excited to share a special exclusive episode for our Members: Part Two in our ongoing conversation about the business of publishing.

In Part One of our series last season, Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton discussed all the aspects of building a career as a writer and artist. And now, in Part Two, they talk honestly and openly about what happens *after* you publish your first book.

Following the publication of Deesha's debut collection The Secret Lives of Church Ladies, and Dawnie's debut novel The Final Revival of Opal & Nev, they reflected on the roller coaster ride of publicity and promotion, film and TV deals, and the questions about "what's next?" 

Read more from Deesha Philyaw and Dawnie Walton: 

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Episode editor: Kelly Araja

Associate producer: Marina Leigh

Producer: Mark Armstrong