Maddy and Nat dive into the psyche of a serial killer and forensic pathologist's mind in the book, The Butcher and the Wren by Alaina Urquhart. This book is about a serial killer's deep obsession with torture, murder, and the main character herself, Wren Muller, the forensic pathologist who is trying to catch him. In this episode, you'll get two different perspectives. One is from the co-host Nat, who is a deputy coroner and knows a lot about this field, and the other is from co-host Maddy who knows nothing about this field but enjoys thriller books. Enjoy the close friendship between Maddy and Nat as they discuss the inner workings of a serial killer and the determination of his past victim...

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