Join Riz as he talks with Donald Hoffman, professor emeritus at University of California-Irvine,and the  author of The Case Against Reality:Why Evolution Hid the Truth From Our Eyes.  They discuss his idea of conscious agents, why spacetime is dead, why reality is like being in a virtual headset, and why all three of the fundamental theories our scientists subscribe to - general relativity, quantum mechanics and evolution - all point to the idea that what we think of as "reality" is not really reality.  Moreover, Hoffman talks about the limits of scientific theories and why most of our theories are probably wrong.  This is a lively discussion you'll not want to miss!