Richard Wain decided to become a mathematician instead of a rock 'n roll star. He made this decision on a whim with only a month or two of preparation, because it would bring him closer to his now wife.

Later, he and his wife left behind stable jobs with guaranteed contracts. Richard became a primary school teacher before setting up a business with previous guest Marcus Link.

These caterpillar-to-butterfly transformations and the lessons they brought have shaped him into the person he is today. He joins Ben to talk about radical transformations,

Links

• Richard’s website
• Vu Online
• Beginning the regenerative journey – Peripheral Thinking, with Marcus Link