Chris Smith — bestselling author of The Conversion Code, co-founder of Curaytor, and one of the top marketing minds in real estate — joins The CEO1440 Show to talk about how loan officers and agents can finally stop chasing leads and start building a brand that attracts them.
Chris has helped companies like dotloop (acquired by Zillow for $108M) and built Curaytor into an Inc. 500 SaaS powerhouse, growing it to eight figures in annual recurring revenue using the exact blueprint from The Conversion Code.
In this episode, we break down The Mortgage Conversion Code — what actually converts in 2025 — and why top producers are winning with content, systems, and brand, not cold calls and rate sheets.
What You’ll Learn
Why brand is your real funnel — and how most LOs ignore itHow to help agents (instead of begging for business)Facebook ad plays that actually convert listings to leadsThe “CMA-a-thon” concept every LO should stealWhy doing things that don’t scale is the secret to scalingHow to turn clients into long-term referral sourcesWhy different is better than better — and how to make that your brand strategyAbout Chris Smith
Chris Smith — also known as Conversion Chris — is a bestselling author, digital marketing expert, and speaker.
He co-founded Curaytor, an Inc. 500 company helping real estate and mortgage professionals master lead generation and conversion.
Before that, he served as a C-level executive at dotloop, helping lead its $108M acquisition by Zillow.
Chris has spoken at NYU, HubSpot INBOUND, and events with Gary Vaynerchuk, and his book The Conversion Code is required reading in marketing courses at Johns Hopkins University.
His work has been featured in Adweek, Forbes, and Fortune, and his mission is simple — to help professionals stop chasing leads and start attracting clients.
Connect with Chris Smith
Website: theconversioncode.comThe Conversion Code (Book): Amazon LinkJoin His Email List: conv.codes/emailJoin His SMS List: conv.codes/textInstagram: @chris_smthTikTok: @conversioncodechrisTwitter/X: @chris_smthLinkedIn: Chris Smith on LinkedInFacebook: facebook.com/conversioncodechrisJoin The Mortgage Broker Builder Community
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