Business and human rights - a combination that has not always had a very positive cling to it. But the landscape is changing rapidly, with CEO's taking a stand for respecting human rights and encouraging their colleagues to do the same. At the same time, stakeholders such as investors are requiring evidence of the work done. But human rights work takes time and the indicators can be challenging to quantify. How can companies and stakeholders have a meaningful and long-term dialogue on these topics? Guesting the pod are Kitrhona Cerri, Director, Social Impact, WBCSD, Elena Espinoza, Manager, Social Issues, PRI, and Ylva Stiller, Director, Human Rights, Stora Enso.