Growing up, it was never a question of if - but how many. Children were the guarantee that came with the partner and picket fence. It was the assumption – and so they tried.

Why did J.T. and Jordan attempt to procreate with others and ultimately decide to live child-free together? In this episode:

- J.T. discusses his journey from painting a nursery to a premature, medically advised vasectomy at age 34, how he reframed fatherhood, and his capacity to nurture.

- After surgery on her “cuterus” and years without a single pregnancy, Jordan recreationally attended adoption meetings and credited the universe for the resolution not to freeze her eggs.

- Discover how Jordan and J.T. attempt to impact the next generation and the outreach they find most rewarding.