Join host Tom Sarrouf as he sits down with historian and theologian Andrew Willard Jones to discuss his latest book, The Church Against the State: The Birth of Liberty in the Late Middle Ages. In this thought-provoking episode, Jones explores the fascinating historical relationship between the Church and state during the medieval period and how these tensions shaped the development of liberty as we know it today.

From the sacramental vision of society under St. Louis IX to the modern misunderstandings of freedom and authority, Jones offers deep insights into the spiritual, cultural, and political implications of his research. Together, Tom and Andrew unpack how these historical lessons challenge contemporary notions of power, governance, and faith.

Whether you're a student of history, a seeker of truth, or simply curious about the Church’s role in defending human dignity, this conversation will leave you with a richer understanding of how faith and politics can—and should—interact.

Tune in for a compelling exploration of the past that offers fresh perspectives on the present.